Do Hard Things: Episode #20
by Motte Brown on 06/06/2008 at 1:42 PM
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Lisa and I open this week's show chatting about the difficulties getting permissions from the "Industry people" for artists like Casting Crowns, Leeland, and Rebecca St. James ... though we're making headway. In the meantime, we're really thankful for great Indy bands like Zelos, whom we're priveleged to feature again this week.
Our music schedule for the next couple of weeks looks great with bands like Reilly, Casting Crowns, and Sovereign Grace. So enjoy.
Rountable -- 4:02
Our culture doesn't expect much from teens. And more and more the cultural messages to 20-somethings encourages them take a vacation from responsibility. After all, 30 is the new 20, right? But this week's guests Alex and Brett Harris are doing everything they can to rebel against the low expectations of our culture. In their book Do Hard Things, they offer an alternative vision for young people to help fight against our sinful tendencies "to be able to get away with doing as little as possible."
Culture -- 29:21
What can Protestants learn from the Catholic teaching "The Theology of the Body"? It's a theology that may radically change your perspective on human sexuality.
Hungry Years -- 43:21
Messages on T-shirts can be a powerful medium. They can move people to attend a colleges and choose majors on a whim. Just ask John Thomas. But God sometimes uses decisions like that to set us on a course quite different from the one we choose.
Inbox -- 48:46
We're still leveraging some great content from our trip to Louisville. This one features Dr. Albert Mohler answering a question I asked informally when Lisa finished her interview (which can be found on last week's show). It was related to a question he received in his keynote session at New Attitude: Can you be both a Christian and practicing homosexual?
1. Tami said the following at 1:49 PM on Jun 6
Personally? I prefer the "non-famous" music that you feature. I think it's a good thing. :) The artists you find are very good!
2. Colette said the following at 2:27 PM on Jun 6
Yep! Keep the Indy music. :D It's exciting to hear new music that might not be featured on a typical Christian radio station.
I love Casting Crowns, but I can hear them anytime on the radio or on my ipod. :)
3. Colin said the following at 3:42 PM on Jun 6
Go Dave! (He's my uncle. :D)
4. .j said the following at 7:21 PM on Jun 6
Yikes, the "Theology of the Body" segment took a wacky turn towards giving the big ol' thumbs up to being drunk in the Spirit, I don't know if this is what Christopher West was aiming at, but it seemed to flirt with it a bit.
When the apostles were accused of being drunk it was by a portion of the group in attendance. The crowd was orderly enough, and Peter was able to speak eloquently enough, that everyone was able to hear him when he explained that the men were not drunk. He then launched into his sermon containing the prophecy from Joel (which also makes no mention of drunken behavior).
Paul didn't say to be intoxicated by the Holy Spirit (Eph 5:18) he said to be filled (fulfilled) with the Spirit. This is not a comparison, but a contrast. The Bible gives so many warnings about being sober, tells us about the fruits of the Spirit, and even mentions God using drunkenness as judgement.
Don't know if that was Mr. West's intent, but I didn't agree with the "what are YOU DRUNK ON?!" sentiment.
5. ALR said the following at 9:55 PM on Jun 6
I am so excited that Christopher West was featured on Boundless! I heard him at a seminar a few months ago. He was an absolutely fabulous speaker and I hope that the things he teaches about marriage become more prevalent in Protestant churches. We need it.
6. KellyK said the following at 1:24 PM on Jun 7
Hey!
I just wanted to encourage y'all to keep supporting the indie musicians - they need all the help they can get! I think it's cool that I can count on The Boundless Show to highlight some lesser-known artists. I'm sure the musicians you use really appreciate the added exposure, too!
7. B. Minich said the following at 4:02 PM on Jun 7
#4:
I disagree that saying what are you drunk on was a bad move. I think he was saying that we have two choices: we can be drunk on the culture around us, or drunk on the Word of God. If we don't fill ourselves with the word, we DO get intoxicated on what the world offers. So it is an interesting contrast.
8. Michelle said the following at 6:11 PM on Jun 7
Love the fact that you're using Indie music. Perhaps you could even invite Boundless readers who are indie artists to submit their songs for potential 'Boundless-play'??
By the way, love that you have the Harris guys on the show this week. Look forward to listening!
9. Novagirl in VA said the following at 12:04 PM on Jun 8
Yes, please stick with the Indie music and don't worry about the industry folks... I love getting exposed to new groups.
10. Matt said the following at 3:01 PM on Jun 8
I appreciated many of the segments from this week's podcast and I think it may have been the first one in a while that didn't exactly focus the whole time on relationships! Not that I don't appreciate those segments on relationships but it was good to hear something else!
I appreciated the use of catholic theology this week and I have to admit that I think we Protestants automatically shun some good teaching just because it's "Catholic".(Like Pope Benedict's current book on Jesus. INCREDIBLE!)I think these type of segments could be highly valuable in the future and I would like to hear more on theology. The pursuit of wisdom is usually equated with pursuing "lady wisdom" anyway so maybe that would lead into some good segments on guy/girl relationships since the Bible uses that imagery anyway? Just a thought!
p.s. As a Pentecostal I appreciated the leanings to "drunk in the Spirit". It sure beats some of the stuff I hear in my crazy circles anyway!
11. Chelsea Moore said the following at 6:11 PM on Jun 8
I would like to briefly state my agreement and--sigh--relief as to the role of teens in our culture today. I second the notion that we are guilty of coddling them.
Perhaps this is borne in part of cultural dynamics that have already affected other domains. The fact that we excuse away laziness is merely another facet of the liberalization, if you will, of our outlook.
Several aspects of this are downright illogical. For example, we allow them to take it easy because we believe it is hard growing up. While this is true, they are still people and need to have some responsibility. After all, isn't this a part of growing up?
Second, there are many life stages that merit compassion, such as motherhood, middle-age, and old age. Why do teens get the lion's share of compassion??? Truth be told, as much trouble as I had, I found my teen years to be mild in comparison to the enormous challenges of adulthood. Give me a break!
Another reason teens aren't held more accountable may be because of our acquired obsession with work and extra-curricular activities. If our focus is slanted too much in favor of the former, there is less time to devote to minding the kids, so to speak.
Thanks for the great wisdom, and the opportunity to fellowship on this matter.
12. Courtney said the following at 10:10 PM on Jun 8
I agree with the comments above, keep the Indie music...at least part of the time. Maybe have a combination of both?
I thought this pod cast was great! It's exciting to see young people on fire for Christ and living their teen years for Him. I believe it sets the entire focus for the rest of their lives.
13. .j said the following at 2:05 AM on Jun 9
#7: That is the point I was trying to make. I do believe we can become "intoxicated" on the culture that surrounds us, but the alternative should not be to "get drunk on God."
In Galatians 5 Paul lays out the works of the flesh (drunkenness being one of them) and then proceeds to offer the alternative fruits of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control). These fruits in no way seem to mirror or connote any form of behavior that could be associated with intoxication (i.e. to cause (someone) to lose control of their faculties or behavior).
So while I believe it is possible to get "drunk" on the world, I do not believe we see any biblical arguments for getting "drunk" on the Spirit/God. The contrast, yes, should be drunk on the world vs. being filled with God, but I don't believe it's right to encourage people to exchange one form of intoxication for another.
14. Marc said the following at 3:49 PM on Jun 9
In regards to the question of being a Christian who is also a homosexual, I can honestly say that Dr. Mohler spoke the truth in a loving yet uncompromising manner. And, as a man who has met homosexuals who say that they are Christian, this answer touches many-a-nerve... In a good way, of course.
15. Elizabeth said the following at 4:39 PM on Jun 9
My vote? Keep the indie. :)
16. BDB said the following at 9:33 PM on Jun 9
Hmmm...doing some math here...
If it's true that only 1 out of 10 people graduated from high school in 1900, we can assume they were working - often on the farm, right? So, start working full time at age 15?
Median age for men at first marriage in 1900 was 25.
So, does that mean that the median man worked full time for 10 years before getting married?
17. Athena said the following at 3:35 PM on Jun 13
Love Zelos. I vote on keeping the indie music too as it adds flavor to the show and it's nice to support those bands. Speaking as a guest writer for an indie music magazine, I feel unexpected joy when I discover great music in the indie genre. You guys aired a classical version of the song from last week! Cool.
One of my favorite segments was the interview with the Harris brothers. Everyone at any age can benefit from their wisdom! I liked the five types of hard things they mentioned. It gives me encouragement in making me realize that I'm already doing some of those things. However, it prevents me from being complacent because it inspires me to try the other things they talk about. Maybe I should check out their book.
Lastly, the gem in there was describing what "a holy ambition" was - that was most helpful to me. Everyone should listen to this episode =)